Pedro:
The issue: "Should we be speaking in tongues today?" is one I have wrestled with. Your friend is very persistent [see parts two through five]. While I have dear friends who disagree with me on this, most of the arguments I hear come from emotion rather than good biblical exposition. If the common teaching that "Spirit indwelling = tongues" is followed through to its logical conclusion, no one can claim to be saved if they do not speak in tongues (because they do not have the Holy Spirit and, hence, do not belong to God, Romans 8:9). This can easily become a cross diminishing, performance-based righteousness if you are not really accepted in the group unless you make the cut. To some Pentecostals, speaking in tongues is what circumcision was to the Judaizers in Galatia.
Spiritual gifts are for building others up. Instead what we hear is “I need to build myself up.” Why place so much emphasis on a gift that is placed at the bottom of the biblical lists of endowments? I would welcome a tongues speaker in our church (here I make fundamentalists uneasy) if I saw the “gift” being used to edify the church under the guidelines of 1 Corinthians 14:
- one at a time
- no more than three in a service
- always with an interpreter and—Paul argued...
- men only (here I make female Charismatics and Pentecostals uneasy).
We should never interpret the Bible based on what we have or have not experienced.
I will comment on the specific arguments your friend raises.
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ReplyDeleteYou're more Piperish than I thought. I don't squirm too much...good luck having that happen. Have the rules ever been followed in the last 1,500 years? Not that it is entirely impossible, I'm not that clear on it myself; but there is a trend.
ReplyDeleteThanks, I think. My cessationist tendencies, however, make me wonder not so much if tongues have ceased (1 Corinthians 13:8 is about the parousia, not the completion of the Scriptures) but if their usefulness has ceased in most places. God allowed signs and wonders to be manifested on the cutting edge of gospel ministry. I would not be surprised upon hearing news of a number of useful manifestations of the Spirit in places like Iran or India.
ReplyDeleteI understand that thinking. Afterall, that was the point of tongues at the beginning anyhow.
ReplyDeleteWhat would be the point in america, save for teaching the ebonics speaking youth? lol
Of course, this raises broader issues. Are we communicating the mighty deeds of God in the language of the people around us when we refuse to embrace new forms of creative expression that come from the image of God in men(like music)?
ReplyDeleteThe issue is in deciding which forms come from the imago dei and which forms do not.
ReplyDeleteDo you have any specific criteria in mind by which to judge that?
I am far from believing that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or that art is merely "self-expression." I fall closer to the Reformed view of the arts that bristles at art as creation independent of God (Adam discovering his own way to "be like God"), but applauds art as a part of man's commission to subdue the earth (Adam naming the animals and tending the garden, Bezalel adding visual sensation to spiritual worship).
ReplyDeleteSo the artist that glorifies God does not create something out of nothing (bara). He obediently brings existing elements like dirt, plants, pieces of wood, sound vibrations, colors, etc. under subjection and orders them into something useful.
When we are evaluating the arts, then, our question is less about the legitimacy of certain forms than it is about whether we are using those forms to honor God instead of rebel against him.
I would take a very practical (as opposed to mystical) view of Paul's tongues. Did he have "the gift"? Yes. Where did he use it more than any of the Corinthians? Read Acts. This was cutting edge ministry across Asia Minor and other regions. Greek was a common tongue in the Roman Empire, but not everywhere. I do not think we need to create a second kind of tongues to explain what in Greek simply means "languages."
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